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Jack and Eduardo (correctly) explain how to handle the ethical delima of receiving unsolicited "private" information of an incriminating nature, in this case a former workgroup member who advocated physical violence in writing and has since resigned from group participation. The violators identity has been redacted by me out of respect for his honesty and voluntary self removal. This happend during the time period under Jon Monday's chairmanship when Jack and Eduardo were just members and held no special privlidges.
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From: Jack <j...@jdresser.com>
Date: Nov 19 2010, 1:04 pm
Subject: Motion on Election of Officers and All Other Procedural and Administrative Matters
To: VFP-Israel-Palestine

Having spent my career in clinical and research professions requiring confidentiality, I'd like to amplify Eduardo's comments about (Removed)'s claims of "betrayal." Confidentiality is not secured by simply proclaiming or automatically expecting it. It is a matter of contract, formal or informal. No request for confidentiality was made by (Removed) before his disclosure, and no pledge was given by Gordon, so what was betrayed? To display war-mongering attitudes to an unknown fellow member of Veterans for Peace is naive in the extreme, as were the attitudes themselves which reflected a knee-jerk acceptance of standard US "war on terror" propaganda. Since Israel and its US lobby use identical "hasbara" propaganda that we must identify, deconstruct and counteract to effectively implement VFP resolutions, these attitudes do not bode well for constructive contributions to our working group. Our work must rely on clear thinking and evidence-based understandings of the hidden forces that propel humans into collective violence to impose domination of one society by another.
Statements such as "I believe there are people out there who want to kill us (OBL & cohorts)... I believe we need to kill them" display a disturbing unfamiliarity with and/or indifference to international law and our constitutional obligation to respect it, failure to recognize propaganda and government/media manipulations, and failure to do the painstaking work of searching out facts and hidden agendas toward discovery of truth... <snipped>
Jack



On Nov 16, 2:00 am, EDUARDO <eduardo...@prodigy.net> wrote:

> ,(Name removed, violating member resigned from group)


> You accuse Gordon of stabbing you in the back. But you shared information with him that should put any member of a peace organization in a serious ethical bind.

> What you shared with him was information that indicated you shouldn't even be a part of Veterans for Peace: supporting drone assassinations of people who may or may not be either terrorists or enemies; assassinations of people who may just be trying to rid their country of foreign invaders and occupiers as all of us would probably want do if it was our country that was under occupation; assassinating people, the evidence against whom would probably not be sufficient to secure an indictment from a grand jury let alone win a jury trial; murder, outside and above and in clear violation of the law, of people who are no threat to the US.

> It wasn't the Taliban that attacked the US on 9-11. We attacked people in Afghanistan who had NOTHING to do with ANY attack on our country.

> If indeed, Osama Bin Laden was responsible for 9-11, the Taliban almost certainly had no advance knowledge. If they had they would almost certainly have kicked him the hell out of Afghanistan. They have a strong tradition of extending protection to their guests as they would to their own family, but its unlikely in the extreme they would have been willing to subject their nation to a war with the US on behalf of Bin Laden.

> And, according to eyewitness accounts reported in foreign news organizations, the number of innocent civilians being killed by our conventional and drone attacks is way more than our military is coming even close to acknowledging.

> So given this information, a member of an organization dedicated to peace and ending military violence as an instrument of foreign policy has to, in your words, "stab you in the back" or ignore the fact that what you said indicates you shouldn't even be a member of that organization? And ignore their responsibility to that organization and the integrity of that organization?

> You sign off as "Veteran for Peace and Justice", but its a lie, a facade hiding someone who is OK with murder and extra-legal execution. Where is there any evidence of commitment to peace and justice? Or do you think its all just one big joke?

> I'm not a pacifist. I believe in the internationally recognized right to self-defense. But what we're doing in Iraq, Afghanistan and Somalia doesn't even come close to even the loosest definition of self-defense.

> It's as if you're lying to your chapter, this working group and the whole organization. No, it's not AS IF you are lying to all of us. You are lying to all of us.

> And you put it on Gordon's shoulders to keep that twisted secret? And then accuse him of stabbing you in the back? Do you think you might want to think about that a little more?

> Eduardo

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